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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2009, 02:24:00 PM »
It is a fascinating book, but £50 is a LOT!
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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #16 on: January 01, 2010, 10:46:10 AM »
The three wheeler you thaught may be a Poinard is a Nobletta Coupe. Which is nothing to do with the Nobel. --- I am not sure what country it comes from but looking at thespelling is probably Italian and may be powered by a Puch engine, again no definite information on this. If you look back through the Forum to 2008 you should see the previous discussion regarding this vehicle.
Are you sure it's not a Poinard prototype? The only discussion in 2008 I could find doesn't have a photo anymore, but from the description appears to be the same vehicle shown in this article in Popular Science magazine March 1961 issues pg 110 which clearly doesn't look like our mystery car and is related to the Nobel.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QSYDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA110&dq=Nobletta&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=Nobletta&f=false]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QSYDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA110&dq=Nobletta&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=Nobletta&f=false]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QSYDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA110&dq=Nobletta&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=Nobletta&f=false

This web page has both the mystery car photo above (under Nobletta) and adverts for Poinard, which show a less streamlined vehicle.
http://www.papas.ic.cz/three-wheelers.html

Whereas this site shows pictures from an "Obscure German book " which seems fairly sure it's a 1952 Poinard. (Anyone know what the books is?)
http://donald.over-blog.com/categorie-1266047.html

 
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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #17 on: January 01, 2010, 02:12:08 PM »
Great work!!! Thank you very much.

Unfortunately there is only very vew literature about the Poinard. I don´t know which book is pictured at Donalds website. Walter Zeichner described his very good book "Kleinwagen International" only the Poinard which can be seen on the ads at (http://www.papas.ic.cz/three-wheelers.htmlin). He wrote that the company began to build a small Rikscha-like vehicle in 1951. Most parts were taken from motorcycles, so they could make a low price. The only show it was offered was the Automobilsalon at Paris in 1952. No word about a second type with a real body or an earlier prototype.

I doubt that the "Prototype Poinard" which was offered some times at ebay.fr for EUR 4.799 do realy connect to Poinard. It looks very much like a homebuild microcar.
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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #18 on: January 01, 2010, 08:30:01 PM »
Dear Tobias and Malcolm

My apology to you both. I have been doing some further research and you are both correct the vehicle is a Poinard.

What I have found is an extract from the 1952 French Motor show guide  as follows

Poinard
The manufacturer of Poinard sidecars has decided to copy others by producing a town carrier which it showed on its stand in the main hall of the cycle and the motorcycle show in October 1952.
For this vehicle, Poinard have not completely given up the technique of two wheeled vehicles, since its new creation preserves the handlebar from a motor bike; the Poinard approach is similar to the three wheel Italian Vespa or the Indonesian rickshaws.
This hybrid vehicle offers a saddle for the driver, but its two passengers have a bench seat. This represents a capacity of three passengers and one can wonder whether the Poinard has enough power to carry such a weight
To transport three passengers in its small three wheeler, Poinard envisage only one motor a 125cc with little performance when fully loaded. The handlebar arrangement comprises the brake and clutch, as well as the starting handle.

I do hope this information is of assistance to yopu both.

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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2010, 10:55:25 AM »
and here is another mystery thing i found ! Who knows what it is ??

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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #20 on: December 23, 2010, 11:38:03 AM »
How about this for a mystery car in seasonal conditions....    :)   :D



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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #21 on: December 23, 2010, 11:41:36 AM »
I LOVE that Express boat car, completely bonkers in the nut!
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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #22 on: December 23, 2010, 12:20:41 PM »
I LOVE that Express boat car, completely bonkers in the nut!

 ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D

Not a Boat car. It did run on rails in the 50th

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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2010, 12:26:43 PM »
Was it a rail inspection car?
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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #24 on: December 23, 2010, 12:54:45 PM »
Marcus, as far as i know it was built by VW bug parts, also powered by a VW engine. There also were some trailers pulled by this machine.
This all was used for sightseeing tours in the isle of Fehmarn in the 50th - 60th.. People that visited the isle,were sitting in cane chairs onto the trailers !!!
Couple of years ago it turns up on ebay. Unfortunately, i've got no clue of its whereabouts.

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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2010, 06:03:04 PM »
Thank you so much marcus!
Please find attached another mystery Microcar. Someone told me that it is the Poinard. Can anybody help?

Ah, a 14 year old kid can solve this! It is called a Nobeletta, it has a Nobel 200 chassis.
http://www.3wheelers.com/nobeletta.html
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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2010, 06:08:17 PM »
Thank you so much marcus!
Please find attached another mystery Microcar. Someone told me that it is the Poinard. Can anybody help?

Ah, a 14 year old kid can solve this! It is called a Nobeletta, it has a Nobel 200 chassis.
http://www.3wheelers.com/nobeletta.html
Just showing my anorak :)

Oh, didnt realise it was solved... My bad!
Here is one for you:

and 2 more just for the fun :)



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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2010, 11:14:44 AM »
With a bit of luck another pic will appear to compare with one above. Funny what you find laying about.
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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #28 on: December 26, 2010, 07:56:06 PM »
Dear Jonathan

How long before we get the answers the the last three images.

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Re: Lets play mystery car.
« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2010, 08:24:23 PM »
Dear Jonathan

How long before we get the answers the the last three images.

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Hi Chris,

  Well, quite a while! I only know what the 3rd one is, and I sent it to Jean, so she may put it as the mystery car. The first one, I don't know, because I lost the original pic on the net, the second opne, my dad restored but we think it is home-made, ansd the last one as I said I sent to Jean.

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