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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: piatti on August 06, 2012, 12:52:12 PM

Title: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: piatti on August 06, 2012, 12:52:12 PM: Hi All

from time to time I check Bruce's Website to seen whats new in his collection. This time I saw that some interessting cars are no longer part of the collection.

http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tourindex.html (http://www.microcarmuseum.com/tourindex.html)

- Avolette
- Fend Flitzer
- Reyonnah
and a lot of common ones.

What happend to this cars?

Oliver
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: mharrell on August 06, 2012, 04:41:33 PM: I've got one of his former cars, the 1980 KV Mini 1 that's [still!] incorrectly listed on the museum's site as a 1982/83 KVS. He seems to sell things fairly regularly either through eBay or through a local auction house called Red Baron's.
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Bob Purton on August 06, 2012, 05:44:19 PM: He told me once that the collection was in some kind of trust so that he couldnt sell the cars even if he wanted to. How comes he keeps selling cars?
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: richard on August 06, 2012, 07:17:56 PM: just a guess but maybe the trust dictates that he cannot profit from any sales ? if the procedes were used to make acquisitions or pay for running costs and/or restorations that would probably be ok ?
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Big Al on August 06, 2012, 07:32:04 PM: I understood that the museum was, or has been, closed for a refit over a year or so. Either it is not open fully or it might have been decided to not exhibit an entire inventory of vehicles. This happens all the time.

Off course a trust can sell off exhibits to create finance to re invest. Anyone assuming that putting a car into a Museum with, or without, a trust to protect it, or restrict its sale, are deluding themselves. In fact you are transferring responsibility for ultimate disposal to someone else at some future date with the option of a nice little earner on top. That is fine in most cases but not quiet so good when folk do it out of charitable conviction only to then see their donated car sold off a few years later for a higher price. Conversely most donated cars do not come with a stipend or finance to maintain the donated car for the future in a collection, so one does wonder quite what the thought processes are. Cars cost money to exhibit, maintain and store. That has to come from somewhere and how many Isettas does a Museum need. Cash clearly being not as emotional as a classic car, I guess, people get upset if the one is converted to the other to further a collection, though the cash is still a donation. Certain Museums are habitual sellers of donated cars and even go so far as to present an image likely to obtain new bequests and subsidised purchases to later be sold at a profit. I find that morally wrong, but otherwise, that's life.
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Big Al on August 06, 2012, 07:41:52 PM: Quote from: lightweight dickie on August 06, 2012, 07:17:56 PM
just a guess but maybe the trust dictates that he cannot profit from any sales ? if the procedes were used to make acquisitions or pay for running costs and/or restorations that would probably be ok ?

Snap, and more brief.
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: richard on August 06, 2012, 07:56:48 PM: or p'raps the wife put her foot down ;D
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on August 07, 2012, 06:25:11 AM: Quote from: Bob Purton on August 06, 2012, 05:44:19 PM
He told me once that the collection was in some kind of trust so that he couldnt sell the cars even if he wanted to. How comes he keeps selling cars?

Maybe he has to have a minimum amount of cars, and sells an others if he wants?
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Bob Purton on August 07, 2012, 09:34:49 AM: Could well be the case Jonathan.
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on August 07, 2012, 02:39:44 PM: I would have thought anyone with that many schmitts would have kept the Flitzer
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Jonathan Poll on August 07, 2012, 06:42:11 PM: Well, for me it still saus fend flitzer, reyonnah and both avolettes!
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Peelpower on August 08, 2012, 12:20:35 AM: well mates, im still nosey what happened to the Flitzer 1
Where is it gone too. Any helpful answers ?

Ferdi
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on August 08, 2012, 12:11:02 PM: It's changed since the last time I looked, the Flitzer is back in list at the top again! Maybe they are just in the process of rearrangement.
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: piatti on August 08, 2012, 01:50:54 PM: I just had another look at the list. The avolette and the filtzer are back...
I'ts probably more sort of a typo then changing the inventory.

Oliver
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Peelpower on August 09, 2012, 12:30:12 AM: well, i do believe, it was posted, to drive us around the bend. I suppose, nobody would sell a Flitzer anymore.
Anyway, i would'nt if i would own one !
By the way mates, is there any collectable microcar out there for sale ? Affordable ???
Bond minicar, Frisky for example?
I would like to raise my collection for a further car !!!
Ferdi
Title: Re: Some Cars sold from the Bruce Weiner Collection ?
Post by: Bob Purton on August 09, 2012, 11:27:43 AM: I think you are right Ferdi, and who in there right mind would sell an Avolette as well?!
Cars like Friskys and Minicars are now very rare in the uk and we uk collectors are looking for them too!