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General Category => RUMCar Mart => Topic started by: Stuart Cyphus on December 27, 2009, 02:49:36 PM
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Well folks, the first two Model 70's from North Wales are home & dry & are in the processe of being gone through & tidied up. As there has been such a fuss made in some places of the possibility of my profiteering on the three examples earmarked for selling on, I have decided to subcontract the marketing & actual sales side of this venture to Alan Hitchcock, a person who knows far more than I do about selling cars & thus can be relied upon to get me my outlayings back, & whom shall be a far larger & easier target for your brickbats than I. ;) Thus the actual sales are now nothing whatsoever to do with me.
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So, if anybody out there reqires a Model 70, your main contact is Alan Hitchcock, at alanbubblecars@hotmail.com or on 01367 240125. Alan's main advert may be viewed at www.bubblecars.com/sales.htm :) All Dalmation hairs shall be removed before sale.... ;D My contact details, as ever, is invacar@yahoo.co.uk
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how much are they Stuart?
edit,just checked hitchcocks site,i could buy many Reliants for that,did they really cost that each to buy?
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It's not me who sets the price. Alan is in complete charge of that side of the operation. All I'll say is, I've finally had enough of some folk out there who asked me to find certain vehicles for them (case in point, a model 70 in early 2008) They gave me all the chat of really wanting one, going to keep it forever etc etc. I found them a really nice one, so nice I would have had it myself if I had had the room at hat time. They paid its seller £X, then one month later it was up on ebay with a start price of three times more than they had paid, & they got five times more than they paid. This has happened several times now with conveyances I have pointed folk to and I am now hartily fed up with such folk taking advantage of my good nature. Thus now if anyone wants one of these Model 70's from us, they can cough up the going rate or go without. Invalid carriages (& particulary the Model 70) are not pocket money anymore. They are on the up right now just the same as every other micro was in the '80s.
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Hi Stuart
I've just looked at Alan site and the Invacars he transported back from Wales for you are not the same as the photograph he has got advetising them IS THIS TRUE - because some people might be fooled into thinking they were getting a very smart Invacar, only to get there and find it's your car's that have lain in a breakers yard for 10+ years.
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Hi All ,
Stuart , there is a huge differance between the Invacar that you are showing & the one on Alans website ,they are at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of purchase .Surely You realise this ! There is a tiny get out on this in one word & I quote "EXAMPLE OF " within the description .
Having retailed over the past 30 years I would caution ANYONE looking at these .
There are such things as the SALE OF GOODS ACT 1979 under implied terms & the
TRADES DESCRIPTION ACT of 1968 which makes it a criminal offence to give a false description & statement about goods .
Caveat Emptor !!! Be VERY CAREFUL for your own reputations sake
Jackie
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at the end of the day i know what transport costs are for that sort of trip,as a friend of mine does it as part of his buisness,and i know that you would have to be insane to pay more than £500 each for those 5,somewhat less i would have thought,so theres some serious profiteering going on and the actual cars not being represented properly.
how,pray tell does it cost £250 to get it"on the road" is it legal?
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I don't like seeing Stuart the subject of such severe criticism because I feel he is a sincere person but it has to be said that he has walked right into it. Bearing in mind the piety he adopted in a previous thread about registers and there accountability to the folk using them, handing vehicle sales over to a dealer [Oh alright X dealer] was from the start going to make him took somewhat hypocritical. I like Allan and feel he has done a lot for the microcar movement but the mindset of a dealer and someone like Stuart are two different things! The car on Allan's site doesn't look like one of the rescued cars, it even has number plates but who knows, it could have been the subject of a quick buff up. Profiteering? Almost certainly but by who? £250 to register cars that someone was paid by the government to scrap? Least said the better! Sorry Stuart but as Jackie said I think you have relinquished control over your own reputation. Maybe this was the only way of rescuing the cars? I'm sure Stuart will tell us when he is ready.
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looks like you can't win either way :-\
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Hi All ,
I have No AXE to grind against ANYONE . I do however suggest that Stuart resolves this situation as quickly as possible for his own reputations sake & the conflict of interests that have arisen in this sad situation .I'm sure his motives were honourable in rescuing these cars but subsequently things have gone pear shaped.
Happy New Year to all involved in Rumcars Cheers Jackie
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Hi All ,
I have No AXE to grind against ANYONE . I do however suggest that Stuart resolves this situation as quickly as possible for his own reputations sake & the conflict of interests that have arisen in this sad situation .I'm sure his motives were honourable in rescuing these cars but subsequently things have gone pear shaped.
Happy New Year to all involved in Rumcars Cheers Jackie
Err what's the problem here? Sad situation? Pear shaped? Motives? Honour?
He found the cars and rescued them (personally I would have left them there but that's another story...! ;) ) He and Alan can sell them for what they like. PROFIT OR NOT.
Cyphus's reputation is and will remain always cast iron despite what drivel is posted on here.
NOBODY WILL FORCE ANY PERSON TO INSPECT AND POSSIBLY PURCHASE ONE OF THESE CARS.
If I was driving through the country and happened apon a Scootacar peeking from say an open shed and stopped. Then discussed with the owner and bought it for a fiver and put it on here or Ebay for whatever then that's that. It's up for sale. Whoever wants it can have it. Take it or leave it. The boy's said they are rescued machines but the best one will be on the button and a driver.
Can't people just collect all info and form a balanced opinion? "Example of" or not. Or is Cyphus going to be in front of a magistrate next month? You couldn't make it up..
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Hi Perry
The question is not who's making a profit - I would do the same as you, but using a photograph of one that is immaculate as an example whereby his ones need a lot of work ( to put it mildly). and charging £250 to get it registered - whereby most clubs charge £25 - £50 and RUM cars does it for nothing.
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Perry ,
I was trying to be subtle , & sympathetic . I dont think you have helped at all , quite the reverse in fact
Jackie
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Quite the reverse?
What is actually going to happen then? Do tell.
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Has any one been to inspect the Model 70 pictured on Alan's website? If not, how can anyone judge if the car in the picture is not one of those Stuart has saved from Wales? A lot can be achieved in a short period of time to a fibreglass car to improve its looks; just a good wash makes a big difference!
Stuart has no reason to be concerned about his reputation nor that of the ICR as he now has nothing to do with the sale. Due to criticism on this Forum Stuart has done the right thing and handed over the marketing to an expert who has plenty of experience at selling Microcars. Alan is a 'dealer' and makes no attempt to hide it. Alas there are many so called 'enthusiasts' who are quite happy to buy and sell microcars, split cars and number plates and export whilst making a nice profit. Perhaps we should run a thread on this topic and see who would be willing to stick their neck out and cast judgment ::)
Stuart is one of the most dedicated to the cause and has to work all the more harder to convince the microcar world that Invalid Carriages are worthy, something he is achieving. Stuart has saved 5 Model 70s, a major achievement and despite the odds has raised the funds to pay for them, collected them from Wales, found storage and now turns to all those who have pestered him to find them one over the last few years. Now that the ICR has examples of the Model 70 available where are all these 'enthusiasts' that plagued Stuart to find them one?
I doubt that there are many who can currently afford to put their own cash into such a mission to preserve cars and then wait until the right person comes along wanting one. Selling one or two to 'Joe public' might well be financially necessary for Stuart but the terms and conditions of the sale are the responsibility of Alan.
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Hi Grant. I agree with most of what you say there but you said that as a result of criticism on this forum Stuart put the selling into another's hands. I don't seem to be able to find this criticism. There was plenty after the event but none prior. Could you please point it out?
About confessions of a microcar enthusiast perhaps I can start the ball rolling, I have exported quite a few microcars and also imported quite a few, not in recent years though. Last car exported 1998, last imported 2001. Who's next? :D
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No doubt everyone has been keenly awaiting the reply from my angle on this topic. Well, you're still waiting. My reply may come later, if at all, but for now we have the viewpoints of Alan himself, who indeed hits several of my nails squarely on the head....
Once again, and not unexpectedly, I have a client who has asked me to view postings on the forum in relation to cars that I have been asked to market. It now becomes clear why a simple lack of information on behalf of the honourable Mr Jim over a Peel received the apparently un-needed addition of my thoughts on forums. These were inserted for just such a situation as we expected with respect to helping Stuart realise some income from his hard work and not an attempt to make Jim uncomfortable over a misunderstanding. Well done, guys, for proving exactly that which I suggested were the habitual result of these sites. Stuart is now wiser as to where he stands in the world and to who are his real friends and respecters off and on site and who only wanted to pick his brain for gain. The chums have rallied to his defence after several really quite blatantly mischievous postings. Perry has it ‘you couldn’t make it up’; well somebody did actually didn’t they?
Now children at the back. You put a half nelson onto Stuart sometime ago with unspecific but clear intent by making him the object of discussions on register management. He was annoyed and asked advice of his friends, I do not know how widely as I am part of his local group of chums where we value him for who he is, which is what friends do, not on what he can do for us, make for us, here hold this smoking gun while we leg it - just in case there is confusion in the ranks. I think the drift of advice was to go for the deal anyway and face the consequences and he chose to market the cars through me. The benefit of this, of course, is that Stuart gained the addition of my ability to move several vehicles at once. It is an arrangement of convenience and trust between two friends and not the business of anyone else but suffice it to say I am hoping to generate some income for Stuart who has no regular income, pension or investments unlike his detractors and little prospect of buying the mainstream Microcar he would like. It is not an alliance with the devil and those who suggest so really reflect more of their own suspect morals by pre judging a situation in reflection of what they would do on the minimal information available. I think we are probably looking at jealousy for being good at what I did and Stuart finding a bit of a stash than any real case history. I will be clear here. I am no longer dealing, unlike some who never registered as such in the first place, I do not need or wish too do it anymore. However I still have regular ex-customers I advise despite retiring from the trade, my word continues to be my bond. If folk want to challenge my honesty they are welcome but should be aware I will immediately call theirs to account.
The deal is really very simple. The scrappy was sweet talked into making time to sell a job lot of machines; I believe he wanted them saved. I doubt he needs the money and it would be a waste of time attempting taking one or two, as he would not have been interested. So initially the plan was to take the lot, preferable bought outright by Stuart keeping things simple. OK so now he has 8 cars 200 miles away with no transport or storage to put them in. What would you do? Stuart talked to me about it and I agreed to take the cars in and perform the logistics for which I gain a Type 70 free and a few favours with my out of pocket expenses back when we sell. Stuart makes the deal and I know what he paid but it does not alter our arrangement as he has to learn business and I am not going to let him down but gain the best for his interests. So far he has done well.
Originally the situation was to market the cars so Stuart got a free Type 70 too. On gaining the first batch of cars it was clear each is a curates egg but half are in easy reach of being A1 examples of their class rather than some blue wreckage. It follows, therefore, that rather than distribute all the vehicles as found an enhanced strategy might prove better. That was to sort out at least two of the Type 70’s into road going condition and hopefully netting Stuart additional income for what is a one off deal. I see absolutely nothing wrong with that as a policy on this purchase since the deal was you buy the lot at x price or none at y. There was no time for dicking about. We hit this collection of cars at just the right time in fact, earlier, no deal. Six months later, they will have been scrapped. The situation with respect to the Register and car availability (another legitimate but unending topic as there is not a right answer save the vehicles do not suffer) is therefore irrelevant but to be fair the cars have been made available to all after their collection since I am neutral in who should purchase them as long as they have some money for Stuart.
As it happens it is possible that several cars are already placed and I think we are looking at two possible spare Type 70s only. This is covered by my advert, which is not specific as to which of the cars is for sale for the simple reason we have yet to decide. Quite how anyone can tell which car is advertised/pictured/under legal obligations is therefore totally beyond me. The advert will develop organically as the situation develops and is effectively an entreaty to state interest at the moment since I am not going to release anything. I can only therefore assume that this negative undue interest is based on mischief making with the aim of queering the pitch. Real trade do not do this sort of thing or they lose their ability to trade without money, which is one of my huge advantages over the rest of the pack. But then it is not just Stuart who should be considering with whom they create a working association is it?
Now onto registration supply. It is a topic of legitimate debate but I would point out these cars are a special case. Remember that these are scrapped cars belonging to the Government. They therefore have no old numberplates nor chassis plates nor title papers which were removed during the scrappage process. They survived because the scrappy thought they were the last and too interesting to crush. In the meantime the ICR has cleared the way to surviving carriages being allowed to be privately owned and registered as tricycles. However how do you register a car that is clearly adapted as an invalid conveyance so technically not a car, without a chassis number or date of manufacture? We think we have a way and not ending up on a Q plate either. It will be proven before a car is supplied. The payment includes all the fees, transportation to inspections and verification processes to be paid for as well as the time taken in doing the task. If you can do it yourself you can save £250 and it saves me a lot of work. Incidentally the registration price is not negotiable nor repeatable since I will not be available to do the running about after supply. Registration is thus advertised separately from the price, as is the MOT, which clearly is only needed if the vehicle is to be used on the road in Britain.
So the situation is clearer and the pointed D hats have been issued with reports to the head master on bullying. Time will tell if the market agrees with my judgement of the value of these vehicles, which is as it should be. As to getting many Reliant for the price asked I would suggest a well-presented original Reliant is going to be at least £1500 these days. Junk sells for junk prices and I leave it to the dodgy dealers (Inland Revenue allows 4 cars to be traded a year before you are required to place the information on your tax return) to go in their garages and polish it up for a stitch up on eBay. The fact is below a certain price I will buy these excess cars myself, as I believe they represent fine original unmolested examples of a fun interesting anachronism of machinery from a cul de sac in automotive history. All the hallmarks of being a collectable vehicle in fact.
Big Al
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Thanks for that Alan/Stuart. In true Alan style that must be the longest posting in RUMCAR forum history! Lets hope it has answered the questions that seemed to be bothering some. The paragraph on registration I found particularly interesting, for instance I didn't know that Stuart had cleared the way with the DVLA to allow surviving DSS cars to be registered again, as Alan points out, how one actually achieves this is another question and certainly explains the proposed fee, certainly not straightforward and it will be interesting to see if its achievable.
I'm still peeved that Stuart and evidently others thought the thread about registers was somehow aimed at undermining Stuart and the ICR, that's absolute piffle, I made it clear from the start that it was not about RUMCARS, the ICR or any other register I personally know of. It turned out to be a well balanced discussion and revealed a diversity of legitimate views. As far as I'm concerned Stuart is a stalwart of the microcar community, he knows I do not share his passion for IC's but he also knows that if I have something to say to him I just say it, I certainly wouldn't bother plotting some subliminal forum thread to paint him in a poor light!!! Utter codswallop!!!!!!! I'm saying no more on this because I have to watch my blood pressure. One thing I have learned is that what ever you say, whatever you want to discuss, someone will aways get upset. Thanks for taking the time to post though Alan, I know you don't like forums [probably for all the above reasons!] so it must have gone against the grain, I enjoyed the frisky post. Bob
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I actually wander, what is wrong with some people here?
From what i see, someone discovered a batch of super rare micro cars, and is selling them for a very modest price. I mean, come on, its only 1500 quid! I dont need to remind you how much these cars will be worth to the right eccentric collector in the US or Japan. A hell of alot more then 1500 quid thats for sure!
Someone commented saying ''i can buy alot of reliants for that''. Well, Of course you can! I can buy alot of VWs for my bubble car, so what? Thats just how the world works. Microcars =$$$$$$$$, normal cars = not so much $$$!
And, profiteering? Well, so what if he is? From what i can tell, he can sell them for whatever he wants to sell them for! You can either buy one, or go buy one from someone else. Oh...wait...there is noone else, so i guess you are kind of stuck then! There is nothing wrong with making profit, in fact, if you found a batch of microcars that are so rare and so well known because of how the government tried to scrap them all, you would have to be pretty stupid to NOT make a profit.
I know there are alot of very cool people here, and i would like to apologize to these people for this rant, but some people here seems to have this very strange attitude that:
1) they are the microcar police
and 2) microcars are cheap.
I think you will find that this is slightly incorrect.
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Hi Adi. As someone who makes his living buying and selling things for a profit I cant argue with any of the above. About the "Microcars are cheap" philosophy,its and interesting coin of phrase, I have been thinking about all this and have concluded that a large part of it is that many of us have been involved in microcars for decades and they were relatively cheap to buy years ago, now we see prices spiraling out of control and we subconsciously feel threatened because it means that most of us will no longer be in a position to buy them anymore. The result is that we go into denial and start talking the prices back down, of course it doesn't work, market forces prevail. This same generation of enthusiasts are on the whole of the variety that drives the cars and thus are niggled still more by the fact that many of the cars are bought never to be driven again. Its just another case of "nothing stays the same forever" and it will take time for us to adjust. On the other side of the coin I don't suppose we will be complaining too much when it comes time for us to sell our cars! ;)
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Good post Bob. Similar things happened with classic aircraft
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Great analysis Bob, :) Very succinct. Ian.
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This same generation of enthusiasts are on the whole of the variety that drives the cars and thus are niggled still more by the fact that many of the cars are bought never to be driven again. good quote from Bob
Interesting this,,,,, the value of the cars increases steadily ,yet attendances at rallys go down....More genuine enthusiasts (who would like a microcar) are put off by the high price of the cars (and their parts)...and a lot of the micro's sold on are disappearing into deep storage.
A local enthusiast to me has just given up all hope of getting a microcar and bought a tidy austin A30 instead,,,for a third of the price of a recently advertised Scmitt engine!
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in addition to Bob's good quote I have also found that some people who have not only been drivers of these cars for many years but also spent a great deal of effort to try and make things as "correct" as possible are also not pleased to find that eventually the person who buys their car in the future buys it because it is "cute" and not because it is "correct".
So all the work they have been doing for "the future" is apparently for naught.
What they fail to understand is that eventually all the work they have done to preserve the historical details and information will NOT get lost and WILL eventually be very valuable to future collectors.
Collectors like documentation. There are collectors with money that are obsessed about "correctness" and paperwork and documentation. These people will not just toss that information, it is part of the car. It is part of the value.
But for right now "cute" is what is selling.
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I can understand all this, but unfortunately, thats just how it goes. You cant control who wants to buy your car. And i dont see any examples of paperwork being thrown away here anyway.
Someone found a batch of invalid carriges, and is selling them for a price that (unlike most microcars) even a normal avarage person could afford. Yet people are criticizing them?
I mean, shouldn't everybody be thankful that they put in the effort to put these cars back into enthusiast circulation? Even if they did it JUST for profit, which this guy obviously didnt, but even if they did, would that surprise anyone? After all, the vast majority of things that happen in the world happen for profit.
I just think its unfair to complain about someone who has done a good thing like this.
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Its a storm in a tea cup adi. If you look back over the thread only one post criticized the price of the cars and called it profiteering [made by a childhood chum of Stuart who likes winding him up!] , I picked up on the word profiteering[didn't say I was opposed to it!] but questioned who was going to get the profit, this question was answered later by Alan. The majority of postings were to do with people showing concern over the photo in the advert not being one of the specific cars being offered for sale, this was also addressed by Alan in his post.
In the last few posts we had moved on and were talking about microcar prices in general and how the old school are struggling to deal with the rising of them [I for one was thinking about the exotic ones, I want an invalid carriage like I want a hole in the head!]
Could this be a smoke screen Adi diverting our attention away from the burning question, do you still own the Mk1 scooter car? :D :D :D :D
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This Scootacar Mk1 and the surrounding speculation of its whereabouts is interesting.
The Dorset Echo newspaper carried a picture and article on this car in 2009, where the vehicle was pictured with Adi and the original lady owner. The title read "Clairvoyant reunited with bubble car after reading article.."
Clearly thats why its a mystery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in1B05snoQo&feature=related
I suggest this approach:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Large-Clear-Crystal-Sphere-for-Crystal-Ball-Reading_W0QQitemZ160392941994QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLoose_Gemstones?hash=item25582a11aa#ht_500wt_956
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Bob, get your self one of these Crystal balls quick before they are all gone. They really do work ;)
I was gazing into mine tonight trying to find out who bought those Peels and how much they paid but as the mists cleared I could see the vague outlines of a Mk1 Scootacar with its new owner. He was trying to get a message over 'Wanted Scootacar 9E engine and original cowls to replace non standard 11E, good price paid, even more than Andy Carter is willing to pay' sadly I couldn't make out his e-mail address as the hazy two stroke fumes descended ;D
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Funny how some ball readings make assumptions. I need some cowls but not for the car Adi may or may not have. Suggests your ball is defective ;D. That can be a problem with ebay.
I would have thought that the car that Adi has/had should keep its 11e engine - after all as he and the original owner says it was fitted either at the factory as a replacement or by a local Scootacar Agent. I think its important to conserve the heritage and social history of cars which have been maintained for use in this way - the micros with genuine history and where the ownership can be traced back to the purchase day are just so hard to find now. I have not read many comments recently where people have used the word conservation - surely thats what we should in most cases be looking to do where it is possible, and not restore everything for the sake of it with the loss of important historical details. :)
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Originality and correctness is also a funny issue. My Trojan is not correct in a number of aspects, and a few people have passed comment about non-original parts and finishing, like the interior lining. The grey quilted material is unavailable, so I got a woman to stitch up something vaguely similar with padded PVC. Despite the original not being available a couple of people at the NMCR were criticising this and a few other aspects.
I pointed out that the car itself had rusted so badly that new front wings from another car were welded on, the engine is not original, and the entire bottom 8" of the car, including chassis rails and engine mounts had rusted away. The seat and some of the windows are also not original and the entire wiring loom had to be replaced. That gave them something to think about!
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All the same though Marcus, Shame on you for those trim panels! :D :D :D. I wonder why the trokel club has not had the right stuff reproduced as it is such a visible part? Maybe the costs were prohibitive.
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Principle reason for post is that the quilted material for Trojan is available but only in white. It can be spray painted after testing solvent/material reaction. Trojans seem to have had either silver or red trim in this plastic coated sponge material that at the time was found on boats, caravans and even Thunderbird Two! The diamond pattern is of diverse size through production. The stuff available is more the size of the moulded door insert in this case rather than the large diamonds. Source - Alan Hitchcock.
On quality of cars etc. Yes cars are going into collections now. They tend to be the better ones and as collectables the issue becomes history and accuracy. I have been disappointed at the lack of freely available information on accurate data with respect to originality of specifications through the production runs of microcars. A difficult topic in some cases but very much simpler in others. The collectors can be buying on recommendation or cuteness. This is where wrong cars become right and fakes real, often via auctions. It is the responsibility of the clubs and those who hold information provable on originality to attempt to provide this information so that the history and quality of the cars remains pure. This is important for Enthusiast, Owner, Collector and the cars themselves to protect the heritage and prevent folk getting ripped off.
To look at it another way. Having gone to the trouble of restoring, conserving or salvaging a car most people seem to forget that they have created something that will outlive them. In fact you become part of the history of that car just as the guy who first bought it did. At some point you have to let go of the car and I feel I would like it to be as well supported by information as possible and be an example that my period with the car was good. The rape and pillage types really take the opposing view and profit is the motive.
The danger of rich collectors is that they can hoover up all the best cars leaving all the shagged and bodged cars and that some accuracy of what they own is twisted since many collectors are also or only investors, therefore value is important. Meanwhile the ordinary enthusiast is left with the tat or finding another hobby he can afford. Thats life I guess.
The real value of clubs and forums longterm therefore is that the should act as sources of information and data for those wanting to own, owning or working on cars so as they can do the best by the car. This seems to not always be happening with information being restricted and in some cases used to a private group or individual's advantage.
Case in point. The HTC know that Alan Hitchcock had a supply of trim material. They were even offered supply direct from source but refused it........
Thread Bear, laying bare the thread.
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Bob, get your self one of these Crystal balls quick before they are all gone. They really do work ;)
I was gazing into mine tonight trying to find out who bought those Peels and how much they paid but as the mists cleared I could see the vague outlines of a Mk1 Scootacar with its new owner. He was trying to get a message over 'Wanted Scootacar 9E engine and original cowls to replace non standard 11E, good price paid, even more than Andy Carter is willing to pay' sadly I couldn't make out his e-mail address as the hazy two stroke fumes descended ;D
The truth is out. How to tell real Peels from fakes. The real ones had domes made by Feanor which do kind of work like a crystal ball. One effect is that an owner of a genuine Peel Trident knows where the other ones are up to a point. So it becomes clear how certain people gain more Peels than others since they are able to catch the eye of the unsuspecting owner and hypnotise them into yielding it to them or at the very least turning them to their accolites. Of course fake ones do nothing but sit there looking opaque, bit like some of the purchasers. No matter how hard you rub it it will not tune in to a real peel or anything else usefull unless you want your hair to stand on end, assuming you have some. So beware of Geeks bearing grifts.
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Mate, you're the real Mc Coy :(
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I understood Threadbears comments to mean that the club should have bought some from source to supply members and not keep secret the fact that Alan has some. Sounds reasonable to me.
I agree about there being room for everyone with the exception of those that turn microcars into custom hotrods, these people should be banished to another planet without there microcars! :D
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I understood Threadbears comments to mean that the club should have bought some from source to supply members and not keep secret the fact that Alan has some. Sounds reasonable to me.
That was the general idea. Poor grammer let me down.
Folk have every right to do and do whatever they wish with their cars. However if you want accurate info on technical specs etc. it is not easy to come by. My thrust is that perhaps those with info or who in a position to collect info might make it more accessable. The worst thing in the world is to see someone crushed after several years restoring a car because he was given or sourced incorrect data. Everyone looses. I can think of many cars rebuilt where the original spec has been altered to a modified one for the wrong reasons. However I would be the first to agree that a field full of uniformly perfect cars is boring and, yes, I will look at the 'wrong un' on the end first. I am now very much more particular about the cars I wish to keep and go for the most original I can find to illiminate wrong bits, bodges and poor replacement parts. Stuff that has been altered is of less value to many buyers, particularly collectors. This altered stuff is that which is getting left for the underfunded enthusiast to pick over and without technical help what are the chances of these cars getting done well? Perhaps it does not matter but I think it does as money is no arbitor of pride in achievement. That achievement might be delibrately none original but at least we can understand why. Perhaps Adi can offer an 'outside' opinion as I gained the impression this cover two of his points.
By the way I was buffing your old Scootacar yesterday, Adi. The floorpan is much better than you suggested and the car will progress into a nice example
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...and so now to return to the main point of this 'ere topic. ;D The second two vehicles of the Welsh pile are now out (Friday) & safely esconced in a place of safety near some Messerschmitt's & being watched over by some Dalmations. Once again the snow tried to hamper proceedings but it takes more than that to stop the ICR, even with the van & trailer half broudside round more than a few corners & adding three hours to an otherwise ten-hour return trip. Sill, we do it for fun. (Wadda you mean there was no snow round here that day......!) ::) Four down, two to go, watch this space... :-*
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There is another way to own one of these vehicles.
Look out in the next Rum Car News.
There will be an element of profit ;)
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There will be an element of profit ;)
ooh shush, else they'll start moaning again that an invalid carriage is being sold for 50p more than was originally paid for it. ;) Be warned tho world, if only I can sort my bank out, it might yet be sat on my drive.... ;D
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They're not going to be on Dragons' Den are they?
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Anything a Peel can do, so can the invalid carriages.... ;)
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Now there is a thought. A MIcrocar specially made for the disabled with electric power. Ideal for city driving. Especially if a version was made for the able bodied. It can be retro-styled and be a 60's icon. Get it on Dragon's Den having got the right to manufacture as H.M. Government and Son Ltd. It has to be a winner with potential world wide sales. I look forward to the Strife model complete with recoilless rifle ideal for that Libyan holiday.
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I have today ordered a quantity of Model 70 exhausts. They are nos with a little surface rust. Any one who has not already shown an interest they will be £40 each plus any delivery costs. The plan is to distribute them via shows etc. Mt company has a few branches nation wide that I should be able to get them to if necessary. Any takers let me know.
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Welsh Conveyance saga update All cars are now SOLD! I now await the massed sounds of jaws hitting the floor from those who tried to pull the case to pieces, as the deals allow me to get on with my own full up & running Model 70 and take delivery of a Peel P50. And yes you did read that last bit correctly. I hereby announce that at the age of 30, I have now completed all my ambitions within the bubble world. And all done without the need to rip anyone off or fleece anyone.
Meanwhile, to those who strung me along wanting a Model 70 but ultimately not honouring the deals despite the efforts I went to, you have now missed your opportunities so don't come crying to me to find you another one for a few more years.....
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:) :) :) Well done Stuart!! :) :) :)
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Dangerous words. I always found when I got what I thought I wanted I found I wanted something else as well/instead! At 30 I think this is to be recommended as you have to have some drive to go out a find stuff but I think it might not be a Microcar for Stuart. Personally I think he ought to get a set of numberplate dies and a Trojan Van to tour the jumbles selling plates, 'as collectors items' of course. The Peel would fit in with the tooling. A chapter concluded but more to come from Root I think.
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Yep, tastes change over time and what you are happy with now may not still float your boat in a year or two, for instance he may yearn for a real P50 and would have to sell considerably more blue wagons to achieve that! "Stuart Cyphus Classic number plates" manufacturing is a great idea, could satisfy Stuarts love for all things number plate, supply all us micro owners and earn himself a living at the same time. Well done though Stuart, most of us have had to do some wheeling and dealing to fund something we wanted, look forward to seeing the Peelesck, what this summer? Jeans open day?
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Yep, tastes change over time
Not to mention asking prices....
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/RARE-1964-HARDING-ELECTRIC-BATH-CAR-Only-1-sale-/230600334426?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item35b0d9dc5a#ht_1069wt_698
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Well done indeed Stuart, look forward to seeing your Peel in July. How is the finger ? Jean