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General Category => Unusual Microcar Discussion => Topic started by: Bob Purton on December 21, 2009, 05:13:51 PM

Title: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: Bob Purton on December 21, 2009, 05:13:51 PM
Lets play mystery car again . Starting with an easy one.
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Post by: Stuart Cyphus on December 21, 2009, 05:29:02 PM
Hmmm, it's Austrian & it looks like a Fiat. Oooh, it's gotta be a Styer-Puch thingy says I.   Just so happens I've got five blue objects powered by much the same engine as that car....   ;)
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: Chris Thomas on December 21, 2009, 05:42:52 PM
Next one please

Chris T
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Post by: Stuart Cyphus on December 21, 2009, 06:00:19 PM
 How about this for a mystery car in seasonal conditions....    :)   :D

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z211/stuartcyphus/i95349202_78217_3.jpg)
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Post by: Chris Thomas on December 21, 2009, 08:39:19 PM
Dear Bob

Is it an Austrian Milk float?

ChrisT
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Post by: bruetsch-freak on December 21, 2009, 10:11:41 PM
The "car" is a product of Schilter. It´s an Austrian company specialised in tractors and other agricultural vehicles.

Can anyone identify the other car? Sorry for the very poor images.
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: Bob Purton on December 22, 2009, 09:33:41 AM
Interesting but have not a clue. I doubt it could pull that caravan!
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Post by: bruetsch-freak on December 26, 2009, 11:06:14 PM
During leafing through my files I just found another mystery. The only information I have is that the car is a Hungarian microcar project called Gitta. I´ve no clue where I got the picture from. Can anybody tell more about this?
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: marcus on December 28, 2009, 10:14:26 AM
The Gita appears in Julian Nowill's excellent book "Eastern European Cars", along with several other odd micros.
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Post by: bruetsch-freak on December 29, 2009, 02:26:12 PM
Thank you very much. I´ll try to get it.
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: marcus on December 29, 2009, 03:02:03 PM
Jean/RUM bookshop might have a copy available, if not I have his address somewhere and will find it if required. Most of the cars are not micros, but it is a good read.
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: bruetsch-freak on December 30, 2009, 11:32:40 PM
Thank you so much marcus!
Please find attached another mystery Microcar. Someone told me that it is the Poinard. Can anybody help?
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: marcus on December 31, 2009, 08:11:39 AM
Julian Nowill started the Unloved Soviet & Socialist Register (USSR) but due to family matters he takes a back seat nowadays. He is a great and enthusiastic  character with a great interest in, and small collection of Eastern cars. It is a good book because it covers lots of vehicles that I had never heard of, let alone seen. Some are obviously rather less than great, but all are fascinating. It is a window onto a whole new world!
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: Chris Thomas on December 31, 2009, 11:51:10 AM
Dear Tobias

The three wheeler you thaught may be a Poinard is a Nobletta Coupe. Which is nothing to do with the Nobel.

I am not sure what country it comes from but looking at thespelling is probably Italian and may be powered by a Puch engine, again no definite information on this. If you look back through the Forum to 2008 you should see the previous discussion regarding this vehicle.

The other three wheeler that you posted on 21 December, Can you give us the answer, or is it a mystery to you also?

Chis Thomas
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Post by: bruetsch-freak on December 31, 2009, 02:01:55 PM
Dear marcus, the book is not that freqently ;D I got an offer for 50 pounds but I think thats a bit much for 160 pages. I will keep an eye on it.

Thank you very much for the information about the Nobletta Chris! I unfortunately didn´t know of the previous discussion. Regrettably I don´t know anything about the car I postet at 21 December. I guess it´s a home built one-off.

A happy new year to all of you!
regards, Tobias
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: marcus on December 31, 2009, 02:24:00 PM
It is a fascinating book, but £50 is a LOT!
Happy New Year everyone!
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Post by: Rusty Chrome (Malcolm Parker) on January 01, 2010, 10:46:10 AM
The three wheeler you thaught may be a Poinard is a Nobletta Coupe. Which is nothing to do with the Nobel. --- I am not sure what country it comes from but looking at thespelling is probably Italian and may be powered by a Puch engine, again no definite information on this. If you look back through the Forum to 2008 you should see the previous discussion regarding this vehicle.
Are you sure it's not a Poinard prototype? The only discussion in 2008 I could find doesn't have a photo anymore, but from the description appears to be the same vehicle shown in this article in Popular Science magazine March 1961 issues pg 110 which clearly doesn't look like our mystery car and is related to the Nobel.
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QSYDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA110&dq=Nobletta&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=Nobletta&f=false]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QSYDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA110&dq=Nobletta&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=Nobletta&f=false]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QSYDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA110&dq=Nobletta&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=Nobletta&f=false (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=QSYDAAAAMBAJ&lpg=PA110&dq=Nobletta&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=0&pg=PA110#v=onepage&q=Nobletta&f=false)

This web page has both the mystery car photo above (under Nobletta) and adverts for Poinard, which show a less streamlined vehicle.
http://www.papas.ic.cz/three-wheelers.html (http://www.papas.ic.cz/three-wheelers.html)

Whereas this site shows pictures from an "Obscure German book " which seems fairly sure it's a 1952 Poinard. (Anyone know what the books is?)
http://donald.over-blog.com/categorie-1266047.html (http://donald.over-blog.com/categorie-1266047.html)

 
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: bruetsch-freak on January 01, 2010, 02:12:08 PM
Great work!!! Thank you very much.

Unfortunately there is only very vew literature about the Poinard. I don´t know which book is pictured at Donalds website. Walter Zeichner described his very good book "Kleinwagen International" only the Poinard which can be seen on the ads at (http://www.papas.ic.cz/three-wheelers.htmlin). He wrote that the company began to build a small Rikscha-like vehicle in 1951. Most parts were taken from motorcycles, so they could make a low price. The only show it was offered was the Automobilsalon at Paris in 1952. No word about a second type with a real body or an earlier prototype.

I doubt that the "Prototype Poinard" which was offered some times at ebay.fr for EUR 4.799 do realy connect to Poinard. It looks very much like a homebuild microcar.
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: Chris Thomas on January 01, 2010, 08:30:01 PM
Dear Tobias and Malcolm

My apology to you both. I have been doing some further research and you are both correct the vehicle is a Poinard.

What I have found is an extract from the 1952 French Motor show guide  as follows

Poinard
The manufacturer of Poinard sidecars has decided to copy others by producing a town carrier which it showed on its stand in the main hall of the cycle and the motorcycle show in October 1952.
For this vehicle, Poinard have not completely given up the technique of two wheeled vehicles, since its new creation preserves the handlebar from a motor bike; the Poinard approach is similar to the three wheel Italian Vespa or the Indonesian rickshaws.
This hybrid vehicle offers a saddle for the driver, but its two passengers have a bench seat. This represents a capacity of three passengers and one can wonder whether the Poinard has enough power to carry such a weight
To transport three passengers in its small three wheeler, Poinard envisage only one motor a 125cc with little performance when fully loaded. The handlebar arrangement comprises the brake and clutch, as well as the starting handle.

I do hope this information is of assistance to yopu both.

Chris Thomas
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Post by: Peelpower on December 23, 2010, 10:55:25 AM
and here is another mystery thing i found ! Who knows what it is ??

Merry crimbo and a happy new year to all of you.

Cheers

Ferdi

(http://www.kabinenroller.de/Pictures/Gallery/43_12_b.jpg)
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: Big Al on December 23, 2010, 11:38:03 AM
How about this for a mystery car in seasonal conditions....    :)   :D

(http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z211/stuartcyphus/i95349202_78217_3.jpg)

Heathrow snowplough ready for service on Saturday. 'No need for the Army, thank you' Dick head!
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: marcus on December 23, 2010, 11:41:36 AM
I LOVE that Express boat car, completely bonkers in the nut!
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Post by: Peelpower on December 23, 2010, 12:20:41 PM
I LOVE that Express boat car, completely bonkers in the nut!

 ;D   ;D   ;D   ;D

Not a Boat car. It did run on rails in the 50th
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: marcus on December 23, 2010, 12:26:43 PM
Was it a rail inspection car?
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Post by: Peelpower on December 23, 2010, 12:54:45 PM
Marcus, as far as i know it was built by VW bug parts, also powered by a VW engine. There also were some trailers pulled by this machine.
This all was used for sightseeing tours in the isle of Fehmarn in the 50th - 60th.. People that visited the isle,were sitting in cane chairs onto the trailers !!!
Couple of years ago it turns up on ebay. Unfortunately, i've got no clue of its whereabouts.
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Post by: Jonathan Poll on December 23, 2010, 06:03:04 PM
Thank you so much marcus!
Please find attached another mystery Microcar. Someone told me that it is the Poinard. Can anybody help?

Ah, a 14 year old kid can solve this! It is called a Nobeletta, it has a Nobel 200 chassis.
http://www.3wheelers.com/nobeletta.html
Just showing my anorak :)
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: Jonathan Poll on December 23, 2010, 06:08:17 PM
Thank you so much marcus!
Please find attached another mystery Microcar. Someone told me that it is the Poinard. Can anybody help?

Ah, a 14 year old kid can solve this! It is called a Nobeletta, it has a Nobel 200 chassis.
http://www.3wheelers.com/nobeletta.html
Just showing my anorak :)

Oh, didnt realise it was solved... My bad!
Here is one for you:
(http://images.hemmings.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/tricarinNYC_resized.jpg)
and 2 more just for the fun :)
(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:O6jgDQ49K6P_OM:http://microcarmuseum.com/tour/images/frenchcar00.jpg&t=1)
(http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2010/06/pajtas.jpg)

Enjoy :)
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Post by: Big Al on December 24, 2010, 11:14:44 AM
With a bit of luck another pic will appear to compare with one above. Funny what you find laying about.
Title: Re: Lets play mystery car.
Post by: Chris Thomas on December 26, 2010, 07:56:06 PM
Dear Jonathan

How long before we get the answers the the last three images.

Chris Thomas
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Post by: Jonathan Poll on December 26, 2010, 08:24:23 PM
Dear Jonathan

How long before we get the answers the the last three images.

Chris Thomas

Hi Chris,

  Well, quite a while! I only know what the 3rd one is, and I sent it to Jean, so she may put it as the mystery car. The first one, I don't know, because I lost the original pic on the net, the second opne, my dad restored but we think it is home-made, ansd the last one as I said I sent to Jean.

Jonathan
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Post by: bruetsch-freak on December 27, 2010, 02:46:00 PM
The first one is a microcar constructed by Bassons Industries in 1954 for the TRI-CAR group of Mr. James v. Martin (born in chicago 1883). The man began in 1922 to produce small cars. The first one was an unusual three wheeler an called Scootmobile. In 1928 the Darts followed with which he had some more success. In 1932 a strange looking aerodynamic car appeared which was build mainly of wood and aluminum. After some time and some unimportant new developments Mr. Martin produced the Martinette in 1948. This was an interesting car with some features like airless tires. In 1950 he produced the Stationette a three-wheeler as well. In 1954 the Bassons Industries of Bronx New York contacted Martin. They had made this delivery three-wheeler (body of fiberglass).
Three cars of Mr. Martin survived in the Lane Motor Museum.

The third car is the Pajtas made in the 1960s and already was in the forum some times.